"Rejection doesn't mean you can't do it…it's just information."
Elaine Garvey
In episode 120 of The Conversation, I’m joined by debut author Elaine Garvey. After decades of rejection, Elaine Garvey’s debut novel ‘The Wardrobe Department’ has been named “Best Debut of 2025” by the Financial Times. Proof that sometimes, the stories that take the longest to tell are the ones most worth hearing.
It’s a conversation about perseverance, passion, and the long game of creativity.
In this episode, Elaine and I talk about:
✨ The emotional journey of writing your first book
✨Growing up with creativity,
✨Discovering your true calling as a writer,
✨Redefining what success really means.


You can listen to the full conversation wherever you find your podcasts including:
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